@moliver_xxii
Tomorrow Never Knows by the Beatles is famous for its drum sound that uses agressively the limiter, with a sidechain triggered by the bass drum. the recording workflow was different back then (1966) though, they did It Right At The Source ;-)
@SuperAgentAB
For me, it's fine to use limiter (if set it correctly). You may try use different styles of limiting in Pro-L plugin.
@CasioChaosTheory
Some excellent points there Joe. I too thought for years that limiting was only for the mastering stage, but I have more recently seen advice suggesting that you can also mix into a Limiter to achieve a different type of mix character. There is a caveat though, that making volume changes to louder parts in the mix may not appear to do much if those parts are already hitting the Limiter, so you have to be very aware of what the Limiter is doing while you mix. I generally export a mix without a Limiter, then as I have Ozone 9, I bring in the exported mix and run it through Ozone using their presets so I can get a good test mix with decent loudness and limiting. When I decide that the mix is finished, then I'll do a more hands on approach to it in Ozone and use a mixture of master assistant and also my owm tweaks. Depending on the particular song,, sound, genre and mixing engineer, mixing into a Limiter is not always the no go that it used to be, though personally I don't think I'm experienced enough yet to start mixing into a limiter. Anyway, thanks again for the great video - I always learn something useful from watching them 👍
@cefahprod
I got a counter thought for you. I recently experiment it and then search for different mastering engineer opinion. As always, it depends on so many factors but a lot of them including Gavin Lurssen & Reuben Cohen, Jonathan Wyner and Pete Lyman said if you mix into a limiter, please do not remove it before sending to mastering. And it is pretty logic what they said. If you remove it, your mix will be different because as you said, limiter affects more than just dynamic. It affects tones and balance. So if you mix with a limiter and it is good. Then send your mix to master like that and that's it. Personally, I mix with a limiter more as a safety setting and just control my gains staging to be good at any moment. So my limiter is not that useful or even not even triggering anything at all.
@StratsRUs
This is fantastic advice and answered my own fuzzy questions about this. Thank you very much !
@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579
Great tutorial by Master Joe Gilder. I like the visualization within plugins, to confirm what I hear, and to help associate the “if I’m hearing this X, that Y is what I’m going to see. For me,in mixing and mastering, the ears run the show. I completely agree with teaching means concepts such as how and why.
@aleksamrkela831
I only use limiters when mixing on individual elements poking through. Never on the mixbus. It seems pointless, and I've learned how to get a good crest factor while mixing, so I can know reliably that my mix will handle soft clipping and limiting during mastering well. :D
@GapRecordingsNamibia
I just want to say as a person who had quite a bit of early analogue experience, what most people do not know about is the limiting or compressing affect that analoge tape had all and of its own....... So, should you use limiters? Depends on HOW you use it..... Audio Analoge tapes had it just by the nature of their design...... Not only that..... The natural noise floor that tapes had was what made sure that we mixed pretty hot to it.
@michaeltablet8577
God bless you Joe! You are so helpful!
@bluxxisngr
W video ❤
@teashea1
Yes - Gandalf ------- well done video
@bjmora9612
A nice intro to Pro-L2 for those of us yet to enter Fabfilter-world 🙂 I "was taught" for professional submissions, I should submit three versions of my mix to a mastering engineer: my original (which would ordinarily have a limiter on the mix bus), a version with the limiter off, and a version with mix bus processing (mostly) off. For mix contest purposes, I'd just use the "limited" version.
@Bluefavcolor
W video man. thanks for this
@raymondspagnuolo8222
Very insightful, Joe!!!
@obidavekenobe
Tip: … and use a limiter on the master buss during live streams too, whether its your church or your youtube podcast👍
@CentaurPress
I am super grateful for this channel. It is more and more becoming one of my main go to’s. I put a limiter on my drum sub. I felt like as I applied more of the limiter, it gave the drum sub more grit and color. I am wondering if that will cause separation between my drum sub and the rest of the mix? I enjoy learning by trail and error but I like to throw these questions out there and see if anyone can relate.
@AL-qj9yh
I love your vidéos thanks bro
@TheDrummersGalaxy
i select my kicks while running through a limiter wirh 5-6 db reduction. If than they punch through like in references. while listening on big, medium, small and very smal speakers.. i will take them. If not i may try to eq or distort them... this while using metric AB to reference loudness.. but... i also will choose the kick which gives me the best feel if the result after limiter is aceptable. No way i could find better than this for referencing as the references always have been mastered, limited. There are many ways to do this... and there always be someone doing the opposite with best results. Its your experience. But you know that you are going to use Tape, glue comp and limiter anyway on your master.. dont you? so why being afraid to "face the sound" you'll get as soon as possible.. once you practice this a few times. i think there is no way back😊😊
@darryldouglas6004
I apply the stock limiter on the Digital Return (Mains) because curiously many VST instruments cause clipping when loaded.😃
@JasonBuffin