I think Cecelia didn't deserve to survive her final game after what she did to Gabriela. Gabriela won her game, she should have been allowed to escape. But, nope. Cecelia decided her fate when she broke Gabei's neck. She'd be stuck there for a while. Also, something my stepfather noticed while watching the movie, is how in Saw II, when Kramer was discussing finding treatment, when he mentioned how he did once, he sounded REALLY upset about it.
The boy Carlos was the best addition to the cast; the scene with him and John in the trap was done perfectly for the onslaught of emotions they wanted the audience to feel, and Carlos showed the whole dang point of most of Jigsaw’s traps: there is usually a way for everyone to survive, including the coupled traps, if people can find a way to have compassion through the fear. John was willing to prevent Carlos from any suffering because Carlos was completely innocent, but Carlos responded exactly the way that most of the adults wouldn’t in that trap. … Carlos will need some therapy after all of this, but the movie did the character perfectly.
I really enjoyed that the first 30 minutes of the film didn't really feel like a normal saw film and gave time to build a connection to those in the game.
Honestly, I'm fine with it being a prequel. More tobin bell is always welcome, I love how that character almost seems tailor made for him to do at this point.
I'd love to see a chronological edit of the Saw franchise. It'd be so nuts with all of the retcons.
Such a good entry for the franchise. If this was the last time that we see Tobin Bell as Kramer, it is on helluva send off. As a side note, I actually know the actress that played Gabriela, she was sooo excited to be part of this movie :)
It’s extremely unlikely Cecelia survived since if she did then Cramer’s identity as Jigsaw would’ve been revealed to the world before it had been in Saw 2
What I love about Cecilia’s trap is the implication that after she won she still lost. She’s trapped in that room with no way out and no one around to help her. Essentially John does to her what she did to others. Give her hope that she’ll live only for her to be trapped with no way out.
It's gets a little tiring seeing a victim go through most of their trap only to lose during the last few seconds 🤷♂️
Amanda and John's relationship was really good in this movie, and I loved the glimpse of Hoffman - his unabashed glee when he told Henry "damn son, you went and chose JOHN KRAMER as your target? Of all the cancer patients in the world, you done fucked up, dummy" Sidenote, I had the thought of all those people at the support group (if they were still alive) finding out that their soft spoken member was freaking Jigsaw lol
genuinely enjoyed this movie, making it more personal to john was a smart decision- the movie sorta felt like it was making john an antihero rather than a villain
What I have found out after watching SAW X and re-watching SAW VI yesterday was that John actually went to the main player, the insurance company boss guy, and mentioned that he needs money for an experimental treatment in Norway. So idk who from the screenplay crew found this thing in Saw VI and decided to make a plot from it and it actually ties the films together, but a great job at that for sure
Fun fact, remember how Kramer said not to let your emotions get involved to Hoffman? This movie was the reason because he learned from his own mistakes when that doctor grabbed the kid and put him in her trap.
Amanda didn't care about Gabriela's age, it was 100% because she was a fellow addict. Amanda knew that addiction can make you do some really horrible things sometimes and she had sympathy for Gabriela. I just watched it less than 24 hours ago and she explains that to John, who says something like, "She still made a choice." I remember it very specifically because I'm in recovery myself and I thought John's response was harsh. Amanda understood that it doesn't really feel like a choice when you're doing it. I'm sure Gabriela was ashamed of her actions, but her brain was basically telling her, "Do this or you'll die." She was desperate. Plus, IDK what their exact ages were supposed to be, but Amanda is probably supposed to be in her 20s or 30s in this film. Even though the actress is older, the character was still pretty young. (Just to clarify, I don't think addiction is ever a justification to commit a crime, but I've had people tell me that it's something that I chose and that is WAY oversimplifying a complex disease.)
Ironic part is if Amanda let Gabriella go second, she wouldve been set to go to the hospital since Cecilia wouldnt have broke free till after the third trap. So Amanda indirectly, by caring for Gabriella, got her killed. Ps. I was sooo mad when Gab died and the little boy got involved. But thats what this movie did well; play with your emotions.
I like this Kramer, previous movies seemed so arbitrary but this one is different. His choice of who goes in has reasoning behind it, outside of just "Oh they ran a red light"
John is like Elise Rainier of Insidious. The most interesting character in their respective story but got killed and now their creators keep shoving their ghost in their movies.
9:45 Loved that Diego was able to get the bombs out. Showed that John wasn't heartless as he did help him after he won and honestly Diego along with Gabriella did seem like the least scummy of the scam group.
I liked how this was a movie shot in John's perspective, giving us a little insight on his journey to try to advert the inevitable. While also showing stuff that very much couldve happened behind the scenes
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